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‘Chasing the Wonder Dragon’ as a foundation and strategy for better conversations

A celebrity scientist and PhD candidate at Toronto Metropolitan University is taking a novel approach to one of the most pressing issues of our time
Anthony Morgan, molecular science PhD student and co-host for ​​The Nature of Things

What happened to civility? Too often it seems, we encounter evidence that the fuse between respectful discourse and open enmity has shortened considerably.

From coffee shops to department stores, one is likely to find signs advising customers that abusive language and aggressive behaviour will not be tolerated.

People are visibly impatient with others they don’t know, and when disagreements arise, conflicting opinions are aired with unrestrained hostility. Some school boards in Ontario, for example, have adopted a policy of limiting access to public meetings out of concern, based on experience, that they will quickly devolve into shouting matches.

Meanwhile, our world seems increasingly dysfunctional as policy and other issues are weaponized for personal or political gain.

"Right now, we're not having very good conversations,” says Anthony Morgan, an entrepreneur, scientist, public speaker, enthusiastic educator, and, most recently, new co-host of CBC Television’s venerable science program “The Nature of Things.”

“I want to figure out what we can do differently,” he adds.

One need only reflect on world events today to imagine how difficult it will be to foster collaborative and productive dialogue so that we attack each other less and instead communicate in ways that lead to better outcomes. It means understanding and confronting behaviour that seems deeply ingrained in contemporary culture.

Considering the enormity of the task he faces, Morgan’s steadfast commitment to achieving his goal is impressive. So, too, is his résumé.

63 years
The Nature of Things is television’s longest-running science series

From busking to breaking barriers

An unsanctioned demonstration involving a plasma ball, some keys, a coin, and a piece of paper that ended in flames set Morgan on a career path that he didn’t expect.

Morgan, now 37, had recently completed his undergraduate degree when the stunt by a fellow volunteer at the Ontario Science Centre served as an awakening.

“I had never seen anything like that,” he says excitedly. “I started looking around, wondering ‘What else am I missing?’”

Morgan instantly recognized that science could be an instrument to connect with people in ways he hadn’t considered.

“From that day forward, I became addicted to helping other people see what science can do. Because when I get to see people’s faces light up like mine did, I get to re-experience it myself.”

He refers to his passion for communicating through science as “Chasing the Wonder Dragon.”

Morgan spent many years in that pursuit as a science busker sharing eye-opening demonstrations of his own, such as vacuum sealing himself to a shop window. While the inspiration for those sidewalk performances came partly from his university studies — in psychology, neuroscience, and behaviour at McMaster and science communications at Laurentian — busking also served as an outlet for his irrepressible urge to spark curiosity in others.

With a seemingly natural talent for engaging audiences, he drew the attention of various media outlets. That led to segments on radio and television programs and eventually the co-host role with CBC’s flagship science series.

But even before he landed that coveted gig, Morgan had shifted his attention to what he recognized was a serious problem. In 2019, Morgan entered the molecular science PhD program at TMU, which focuses in part on Science Outreach, after realizing that people were increasingly unable to agree on basic facts. 

“TMU is wonderful for its willingness to take risks and be innovative and flexible,” he says about why he chose to pursue a doctorate there.

Morgan’s focus is on “affective polarization,” how opposing political groups dislike, distrust, disrespect, and are even willing to be aggressive towards each other. Through his research, he hopes to understand how people can set aside their differences and have better conversations around controversial issues.

“TMU is wonderful for its willingness to take risks and be innovative and flexible.”
Anthony Morgan, molecular science PhD student and co-host for ​​The Nature of Things
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Freestyle Socials events held in cities across Canada

Opening minds through play

One of the solutions that Morgan developed and continues to explore is based on science but also taps his desire to elicit an emotional response and make a lasting impression. Freestyle Socials is a party game-like experiment in which “disagreements make you laugh instead of lose faith in humanity.”

Lighthearted yet controversial yes-or-no questions such as “Should we pee in the shower?” are given to the participants, who have 10 seconds to pick a response and then explain their views. Anyone who laughs at or seems intrigued by a position should switch sides. The goal of Freestyle Socials is to help people open their minds to different opinions on polarizing topics.

It reads like the premise for a TV game show — and maybe it will be one day. But for now, after more than 100 events held in cities across Canada, Morgan is more interested in seeing results.

“I have a hunch that this game can help us have better conversations, but as a scientist, a hunch is not good enough. I’m studying whether the games are having the impact that we want. The data is not entirely in yet, but early indications suggest we’re moving in the right direction. I’m pretty excited about that.”

He should be. Promoting needed change is seldom easy, but Morgan has embraced the challenge with a fresh perspective, energy, and determination that deserves to be applauded.

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In an increasingly polarized world, this researcher aims to change the conversation
In an increasingly polarized world, this researcher aims to change the conversation
In an increasingly polarized world, this researcher aims to change the conversation